Samantha Schiffman: Remember that YOU Are Also Great

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I met Sam Schiffman in 2015 when we were both in callbacks for Theatreworks shows and we’ve remained friends from seeing each other at many of the same appointments and callbacks! She is SUCH light in the holding room, with her Mary Poppins audition bag in hand always. We had such a blast at the adorable Penny Lane Coffee, talking about everything from her first few sublet adventures in the city to her magical booking experience last summer and what show she and her boyfriend have created for themselves!

Drink of Choice: Soy Chai Tea Latte

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AF: What did you get to drink, Sam?

SS: I got an iced coffee because I already had a large chai this morning with soy milk and cinnamon syrup.

AF: Now, is that your drink of choice?

SS: My drink of choice is always a soy chai tea latte.

AF: So you’re a tea girl!

SS: I am a tea girl… I find that I crash after coffee but with my chai the caffeine lasts all day.

AF: Smart.

SS: But when I’m drinking coffee it’s usually iced.

AF: It’s also VERY humid today so a cold drink was necessary. So I always ask… what is your back-story?

SS: I’m from the suburbs of Chicago, Highland Park which is the like the Westchester to New York. I have four siblings and a twin sister! There’s five of us. I have been acting since second grade where I did Bugsy Malone Junior. If you haven’t seen it…go check it out! I played Louella who was the girlfriend of a guy named “Danny Dan.” She was also a dancer at Sam’s Club so she was a two-timer. I played sports for a long time. I played a lot of soccer. My dad was the coach. And then I realized I didn’t want to do this any more, I wanted to perform and I started trying to sing and I was I Chorus. In sixth grade I auditioned for Once on This Island which was really appropriate. I thought I got cast. And I did not… a girl named Sam Shiffran got cast. She was an eighth grader. I was a sixth grader. Then in eighth grade I did Once Upon a Mattress and then high school I did the whole thing. I played Connie in A Chorus Line, which was also…very appropriate. I went to Indiana University and got a degree in Theatre not Musical Theatre. I minored in Dance and Spanish.

AF: Can you tell us how a Theatre degree is different from a Musical Theatre degree?

SS: At Indiana, basically the difference was the masterclasses and showcase. I had a lot more requirements inside and outside the degree of Theatre. I had to get like twelve credits in the school of Theatre and then fourteen credits in the college of Arts and Sciences but my Senior year I studied abroad in London and all my credits transferred outside the school of Theatre so I got to take whatever I wanted! I took all the dance classes, voice lessons… it wasn’t my first choice school but I’m glad I ended up there. I was in a Sorority… I did the whole college experience. I don’t regret going there. I’m very happy with where I’m at and where I’m going. It almost doesn’t matter what your degree is…as long as you’re going on the path that works for you.

AF: And putting forth the energy to make the strides you want to see in your career.

SS: I heard so many “No’s” in college because I wasn’t in the program like, “You can’t be in the main stage if you’re not in the program…” but I moved to New York and was one of the first of my friends to get my Equity card.

AF: I bet that helped shape your stamina and build a wall subconsciously where you could deal with the rejection better than somebody in the program!

SS: Yes, because I was so used to the “No’s.” It also didn’t hurt that my boyfriend is also in theatre and trained at Boston Conservatory and he taught me how to work that audition circuit. “You wake up at five am… you go…and you wait…” It was really nice to have him teaching me. He moved in July and I moved in September.

AF: It’s so helpful to have a partner to help guide and push you a little bit. I have so much respect for people who are doing all this independently.

SS: Right- and I’ll push him! He’ll say, “Oh I don’t want to get up yet” and I’m like, “You’re perfect for it! Go!” And maybe if I didn’t say that he wouldn’t have gone and booked it, you know? It’s a nice partnership.

AF: Any time I tell Douglas to go in for an audition, he gets the callback! Anyways so you move to New York… what has your time looked like?

SS: I moved in September of 2014 and I moved with one of my best friends. I moved with four suitcases and a prayer. And my dad came with me so we were spending an entire day on Craig’s list. I ended up living with a mid-sixties woman and her Israeli exchange student in a one bedroom with her yappy dog.

AF: That is something out of a TV show.

SS: I was working at a Yoga studio…and the Israeli student took a class with me at the studio. The woman slept on a Chaise lounge and there were two twin beds for the student and me. There was no closet space, you couldn’t use the stove because there was so much all over the place…but I was paying five hundred dollars a month. I lived there September through November and signed a lease December first.

AF: That’s amazing.

SS: Right… and then I booked my Theatreworks tour December seventh. Six days later… Like, BYE!

AF: As soon as you commit to something… you book. When it rains it pours. We met each other on the audition circuit in 2015… at Theatreworks.

SS: I had just gotten back from tour!

AF: Any time we would see each other… we would encourage each other and then the next week we’d touch base and be like, “We booked!” I was thinking oh I’ll book my trip to Spain… and then something will come along! Nothing has happened yet so maybe this will be a good pitch to people to cast me! (haha) Okay so first New York experience was kind of crazy… then you signed the lease, then you left for tour…

SS: Then I moved into a place on the Upper East Side with two other people in a one bedroom… really thriving. This was before the second avenue subway… so it was really far from everything. I came back end of May, early June, moved into a new apartment in September. Then I moved into a four bedroom in Washington heights and we had a washer dryer, and a dishwasher but that apartment was PLAGUED. We had a fire, we had bedbugs, we had mice, cockroaches, water damage from the fire…

AF: I’m learning so many new things right now. That’s a lot.

SS: That happened and now I live with Max!

AF: And you still are here! Even through ALL that!

SS: Yeah and all the time auditioning, babysitting the same kid for three years…

AF: That’s so special!

SS: It’s so unheard of to be with a family for that long.

AF: It’s good for you, it’s good for the kid. Wow- you’re so busy! What’s been a high point and low point?

SS: Two years ago my boyfriend left for a contract and I felt very lost in the city. I was so happy for him but it took me a while to realize his successes weren’t my failures.

AF: Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. It’s hard to come to that realization.

SS: It took me all summer. I had a concussion… and this was also at the height of the bedbugs! We had to clean the entire apartment and all of Max’s stuff was in the apartment and I missed him and I just felt very lonely. We had gotten to this place where it was just the two of us and I didn’t see a whole lot of my friends and so I wondered where I was at. When he got back there was a lot of readjusting and that was my hardest time. I never wanted to leave New York but I was very much like, “Woe is me.” This was summer 2016…so I’d been there two years.

AF: I feel like when you’re at that two-year mark… it’s like “Okay I’m really doing this.”

SS: It didn’t feel like anything I was doing was fulfilling. I wanted somebody to hire me and pay me to do that as my only job. It was really hard. It took me a full year after that to book my next gig. I worked at Maine State last year and took a class with Bob Cline and he said all the agents want their clients in a Maine State season. It’s such a great place to work. It’s a hard job to come by because you have to be a triple-threat! I don’t consider myself a triple-threat. I am a singer, I am a mover-“plus”… it takes me a minute but I’m willing to put in the work to learn the combo. I went in for Grease for Frenchy… didn’t hear anything and then got an email three weeks later and went in for Patti. It was one of those where you leave the room and know you booked it… but they said they’d be having a dance call and I never heard. When I didn’t hear I assumed I didn’t get it… and I hadn’t done Yoga in six months because I’d had surgery and I did my at home practice and I laid down and rolled over and my phone started ringing and it was my agent telling me I’d booked it.

AF: I just got chills all over my body. That’s amaaaaaazing. That’s such a great reminder that if you just center yourself for a second, let it go, and be okay with where you are at. I’m preaching to the choir…but I know we all struggle with that. We’re never going to be as far along as we would like.

SS: Sometimes I question, “Did I take my card too soon?”

AF: Same. But we gotta keep pushing forward! No regrets. So booking Maine State was a highlight…

SS: Also this year has been kind of an awakening that what I’m offering in the room is the best I can do and the best representation of my abilities. I didn’t book anything for this summer but I’m in voice lessons and I’m really comfortable with who I am and what I’m presenting to the room is really honest and what I am… and just because I didn’t book anything doesn’t mean I didn’t have a good season. I’ve had more callbacks this season than I’ve ever had… not that it was a lot but more than I’ve ever had.

AF: So that means you’re pursuing who you are and embracing your honesty and bringing your full capabilities to the room.

SS: And going to auditions that I know I’m really right for.

AF: It’s getting to that place of maturity of fully going for it and giving it everything regardless of whether you receive anything back in return.

SS: For so long I’ve obsessed over which dresses to wear because certain dresses are right for certain characters…and not that you don’t want to allude to it but wearing overalls for a Mama Mia! audition isn’t going to get me the job… being me and being honest and being as close as I can to being in that character is all I can do.

AF: But also you ALWAYS look fierce. You always have a massive bag with you, filled with so many great options.

SS: I only brought two dresses with me today!

AF: I’m getting to that point in the year where I need a new “audition something.” That’s how I justify shopping. So not to dampen the mood but…what was your low?

SS: The year after Theatreworks. I got back with all this momentum and things weren’t happening and it was really hard. It makes you realize just how good it feels when someone DOES choose to take a chance on you. I had to wait for it to come along.

AF: This season of waiting is not failure. You’re working on yourself, working on your craft, and you just know the next thing that comes along is going to be amazing because the last thing you got to do was great…and it can only go up the ladder! So I always ask… what are you working on now?

SS: Max and I booked Bed the Musical which is us sitting in our bed eating snacks all summer. This joke has been going on for six months… he’s starring as Pajamas and I’m starring as Junk Food. He wrote me a contract… it’s legit. We have an email thread with the offer. The kid I babysit will be gone for most of the summer so I might spend some time at home and auditioning, keeping on top. If there’s anything I learned this week it’s that you can’t let things bog you down. If you stay on top of it you can take on the world! Spending ten hours with a kid can take a toll on you…but I’ve found time to breathe into it and take into account the fact that I need to prepare for these auditions.

AF: You have to make it a priority. Some days you work, work, work… and then when you have something coming up you take a second.

SS: Two years ago I would have been like, “Ahh this week is so busy I can’t go to any auditions…” but now I’m in control. It feels good. I’m putting myself to bed earlier because I know I have THINGS to do.

AF: You’re creating that career for yourself.

SS: You have to put the work in. You can’t expect your agent or manager to do it all for you. You have to look at everything. Someone said to me once “If you can’t book a job, don’t audition for it.”

AF: What are your words to live by?

SS: Somebody else’s successes aren’t your failures. It took me a really long to grasp that and I still struggle with it. But whenever I see you at auditions and I say, “I really hope one of us books this” I mean it. I would love for someone I know to book. If that person is the best one for the job… they should get it. Also- just because the girl before you sounds great… remember that you’re also great. You can both be good.

AF: Everyone brings a different quality into the room!

SS: And if that person is booking, that’s great for them! It doesn’t mean it’s bad for you. Your time is coming… or it’s not! And that’s good. You have time to work on you!

AF: There’s a reason we’re here for the summer.

SS: I feel at peace about it. I can go to Coney Island! I’m really enjoying this coffee by the way… I’m all hyped up.

AF: Well thank you so much for coming on the blog! I’ll probably see you at an audition like… tomorrow!

SS: Cheers.

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Douglas W-Tieman: Give Yourself Permission

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Douglas and I met my Freshman year, his Junior year of college at Belmont University. We started out very good friends and it eventually bloomed into romance by December 2010. I joined him in NYC January of 2015, were engaged July of that year and got married October 2016! Life has been truly joyous as newlyweds in this crazy city. He left this week to go work on a Disney cruise for the summer so I thought I would snag him for an interview! He is an actor after all ;). Since he is a gardener and landscaper on the side, I brought him to the Plant Shed on 86th and Columbus where we could perused the plants and flower selection over our drinks. 

*Drink of Choice: Mochahontas from Bongo Java in Nashville, TN


 

AF: Today we have Douglas on the blog! My very own husband! It’s taken a long time and lots of convincing to get him on the blog but he is finally here. He is ready and about to drink his cappuccino! So I always ask what are you drinking?

DWT: I’m having a cappuccino with some beautiful flower art on top! It’s absolutely delicious. It has a rich nutty flavor to it which is exactly what I like.

AF: And what else did we get?

DWT: A s’mores cookie… (He tries it)

AF: Is it amazing? (I try it) Oh my GOD. So what is your usual drink of choice?

DWT: Usually a drip coffee but my favorite is a Mochahontas from Bongo Java in Nashville!

AF: Nashville plug! Sponsor us! Hashtag Nashville! So Douglas… give us a little bit of your back-story. I mean I know everything but tell everyone! When did you first discover your love for performing, the fiddle, and how you got to New York!

DWT: I’m not even sure if you knew this but my first ever performance was in preschool in a production of Hickory Dickory Dock. I dressed up as the clock and had a little mouse hand puppet. That was the mouse that ran up the clock. And there are pictures of that somewhere… That was my first time on stage in front of people. I don’t really remember that. But I DO remember my first experience doing a role and that was in fourth grade playing Ebenezer Scrooge in childrens version of A Christmas Carol. I was really lucky to have an incredible teacher that encouraged me. Susan Owens… my music teacher. Even though I was only in fourth grade she cast me as the lead. It was an elementary school so there were fifth graders too and a fifth grader played younger Scrooge and he was way taller than me… hastag casting.

AF: Hashtag type casting, haha.

DWT: Then that same year I started playing the violin when my orchestra teacher gave us the option of picking an instrument to play in the youth orchestra. He played the violin and did little bird songs and sounds on the violin and I was like, ‘Yeah I want to play that.” So they both kind of started at the same time!

AF: I think some people would be surprised to hear that you didn’t start violin until fourth grade.

DWT: I had been playing the piano prior to violin, which is even more interesting.

AF: So you stuck with the violin…

DWT: Stuck with the violin… and so after elementary school Susan Owens after  encouraged me to go to my very first community theatre audition…

AF: Which was?

DWT: Oliver!

AF: And you played…

DWT: Oliver!

AF: How funny that both of our first shows we played orphans…

DWT: The auditions were around Christmas time… I think I sang like “Jingle Bells.” I had no idea how to do an audition. My parents just took me to this little theatre in Winchester, the Leeds Theatre and I went in and sang my song. I was eleven or twelve and they basically cast me on the spot! It was really cool.

AF: So you did all the shows in high school…

DWT: Yes. I did shows through high school, community theatre, and even got involved in the UK’s Opera productions and did some roles there. I did Carousel and then all my shows through high school and also played fiddle and then went to Belmont University and studied Musical Theatre! I continued fiddle lessons there.

AF: So did you audition for a bunch of schools?

DWT: I auditioned for multiple schools. I auditioned at Otterbien, Baldwin Wallace, Belmont, CCM…

AF: Did you get in to BW?

DWT: No… I got in nowhere except for Belmont, the Theatre department at Otterbein and University of Kentucky.

AF: And Belmont accepted you as a Presidential Scholar so that kind of felt like a no brainer…

DWT: Yeah and I also loved it!

AF: That’s a big deal! What had to line up for you to be a Presidential Scholar?

DWT: The qualifications I guess had to do with GPA and test scores… but I had no idea that existed. I knew some people that had gone there and they contacted me about the scholarship and that I was being considered and then I had to write a few more esssays…

AF: So you go to Belmont… you meet me…

DWT: Yes- I met my wife Annabelle.

AF: That is I. What was your favorite role you got to play in college? What was a defining moment for you?

DWT: That’s a great question.

AF: I have my own idea of what your answer will be.

DWT: It was probably Billy in Anything Goes.

AF: Oh- really?

DWT: Were you going to say Dicken (in Secret Garden)? That wasn’t really defining… Billy was my first leading role… it’s also the first show we did together. It was the first time in college where I felt like I owned the role and felt supported and felt like a leading man. It was definitely the role that felt like, “you can be successful at this.”

AF: So then you graduate… and what happened after?

DWT: After graduation I knew I was going to be employed in two jobs.

AF: Which for most actors is unheard of…

DWT: So I was playing Rolf in Studio Tenn’s production of Sound of Music

AF: I was in it too! I was Louisa!

DWT: And my best friend Chris Rayis was the Music Director…which he still can’t believe.

AF: We were all so young…

DWT: He did an amazing job. After that I worked at the Cumberland County Playhouse and did shows in rep there. And then January 1st 2013, I moved to New York City!

AF: That’s cool because I literally moved exactly two years after you to the day!

DWT: Two years later.

AF: So what have some of your highlights been living in the city? It doesn’t have to be roles… but what are some experiences, things that have happened that have shaped who you are today…? I know it’s crazy to think about all of this….

DWT: It’s great to think about all of this… because I have had so many incredible experiences… that if I didn’t live in New York City I wouldn’t have had them…like getting to perform for Stephen Sondheim when I did Robber Bridegroom. He was out in the audience. I also served him pea soup when I was a Caterer. Highlights have been doing Merton at the Movies with Jim Parsons and got to go to Bond45 for a dinner after… it was incredible. And then they got me a car home… it made me feel like a real professional… haven’t had anything else like that since then, haha!

AF: Yes you haaaaave.

DWT: But that was the first time I realized they remembered me. Casting knew I played the violin and they contacted Judy, my agent and that’s how I got the job.

AF: So many of the things you’ve done are attributed to the fact that you play the violin.

DWT: Everything. I don’t think I’m good enough to be considered for anything other than a good instrumentalist.

AF: That’s not true. I would say because you’ve had so many successes with the violin you haven’t spent as MUCH time working on just being just an actor. That makes sense though because why would you when you have this other skill-set….

DWT: Yeah- it just feels like I’m competing against so many other people as just an actor and it takes so much longer. I feel like I can get to a place where I feel fulfilled and maybe branch off from the actor/musician role later in my career. Right now there are so many guys who can sing and act and dance…

AF: There are also so many more opportunities for actor/musicians right now. So now that you’ve been in the city for five and a half years…and we’ve heard one of your highlights share with us one of your lowlights…

DWT: The rejection around Once was really hard. It was at first a really heartbreaking situation.

AF: You were in for Broadway and the tour….

DWT: The first big thing I auditioned for was Once in Nashville. And they brought me in for auditions in New York and I think it was one of the reasons why I got my agents. One of the main reasons I moved to the city was because I saw that showing on the Tony’s with actor/musicians and I thought, “I can definitely do this.” And the thing is I was in the midst of trying to negotiate a contract to go away and figuring out if I needed to be in the city for more callbacks and I remember getting the call, “They’re not going any further with you for Once…” and being heartbroken and just crying. It was so sad. It was especially hard because so many people said, “You are perfect for this… you will be in this show. “ I think that is a real disservice we do to each other. We think it’s complimentary or encouraging but really there are so many people that are perfect for shows and they can only hire so many people… It’s not that youre any less perfect than anyone else it’s just a numbers thing. Since then I’ve tried really hard to not say that to somebody because that’s not the point. You’re perfect for what you’re going to end up doing. I don’t think actors should make themselves specific to certain shows to fit a mold… I think they should cater to what their passionate about.

AF: That’s a great segue to hear about what you’re working on now!! You’re creating opportunities for yourself and other people…

DWT: Yeah- I’ve always wanted to write a show about a fiddle player. It has these mythological elements about the south and pride and the devil. I happened to be jamming in Nashville and spoke to a songwriter and I bounced the idea off of him and he sort of gave me permission to start it. It’s really important in any process to be able to give yourself permission to go for it. That’s what so many people struggle with. They have an idea but it almost takes an outside push to get it started. I wish I’d started sooner, honestly. That would be my encouragement to anyone! If you have an idea… just do it! Just start. Just begin. Don’t wait for somebody to tell you to do it.

AF: I feel like you’ll agree with this but it’s like once you start creating something that you’re in control of that’s when other opportunities come into your life.

DWT: It gives you more to talk about.

AF: It makes you a full person. It fills you up in the sense that you’re working on something that you’re making on your own, developing on your own, and people see that and it’s natural for other things to follow because you’re putting yourself out there. So along those lines… what has filled you up outside of theatre?

DWT: Oh! Spending time with my wife.

AF: Haha.. what inspires you?

DWT: I mean honestly family is so important. Whether that’s being home, visiting our families… just making personal relationships the priority in my life. I have found that my day job as a gardener gives me so much joy…

AF: Oh yes- it was intentional that I brought the gardener to this plant café!

DWT: I love being outside. I knew I wanted an outdoors job to keep my sanity. I love making things grow… I’ve brought some friends on board. It’s a community that I’m really proud of. I’ve learned a lot about myself because I’ve gotten to a point of management and it has played into my abilities to navigate the team dynamics of my musical… how am I doing? Am I doing well?

AF: Yeah, you’re doing fine. Now…I always ask. What are some words of wisdom or advice you’d give to aspiring artists…?

DWT: Be the change you want to see in the world. I think that’s attributed to my love for Ghandi. Also- treat others as you would like to be treated.

AF: Are you going to get a tattoo of either of those?

DWT: Yeah- maybe a highlighter thing that’s also glow in the dark…

AF: Is there anything else you really want to share with your fans?

DWT: You mentioned words of wisdom? Find things outside of acting you find fulfilling. Always look for ways to create your own work and put yourself out there. Because I was playing my violin on a subway platform one day, I was able to meet somebody who asked me to join their band…and it was all because I was playing in a station and Tommy Crawford came over to me and took my card.

AF: You just need that one person to believe in you…

DWT: Yeah- then I had all these experiences! I went all the way to Nantucket with Seawife and met Liz Carlson and was able to see how a show is developed from the very beginning. It’s given me that knowledge to apply to Johnny. 

AF: Any last words before we go pick out a plant?

DWT: Just be happy. Help others. Be engaged in important relationships in your life. Don’t place value in flaky relationships. Find the people that are most important to you and spend time with them.

AF: And what are you about to go do!?

DWT: I’m heading out of the states to hang in Europe on a Disney cruise for three months, and dressing in ren faire style leggings.

AF: Like you’re in Tangled but not! Great- so I’m sure you’ll be trying amazing coffee all over the world.

DWT: Yes- follow my journeys on Instagram!

AF: Haha he’s joking. Cheers.

 

 

Jeff Ostermueller: Do it because you enjoy it.

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Jeff and I met through a mutual friend a year ago and recently reconnected over the trials and tribulations of being an actor in the city. We met at ForGround near Bryant Park on the first real day that felt like Spring to attempt a Podcast recording. Unfortunately my technical skills failed and I opted for the regular blog medium! Jeff talks about his Elon audition, time on tour with Spring Awakening, and how important it is to stay curious.

Drink of Choice: Hot coffee with half and half


 

(Jeff was eating brussels sprouts)

AF: That looks like what I had for dinner last night!

JO: I’ve done a veggie cleanse before!

AF: I just wanted to do something that would make me feel healthy!

JO: You do you. What’s your go-to smoothie?

AF: Favorite is strawberry, banana, kale, peanutbutter, strawberry, yogurt, almond-milk…

JO: Same here except for a couple differences. Strawberry, banana, organic frozen blueberries, flax seeds, chia… I made it three days of my veggie cleanse and eight days of Whole 30.

AF: I’ve heard that first week is the hardest…

JO: I guess I crossed that hurdle and was like, “I’m out. Where’s my bacon egg and cheese?!”

AF: Haha. I’m very excited to have you on the blog! You’re such a fun, talented individual and you’re going to tell us all about your time in the city and how you got here! We met through Matthew Glover at Sweet Afton.

JO: Shout-out.

AF: So Jeff…I always ask… what are you drinking?

JO: This is my second cup of the day and it’s an iced coffee. I put half and half in, no sugar. Today it’s almost seventy and tomorrow it will be seventy-six! It was time!

AF: This is my favorite weather. I’m drinking an iced coffee black which is what I usually do. What is your drink of choice?

JO: I usually do hot coffee with half and half. I don’t know why… I mean we all know coffee is bean water. It is water that passes through beans. Which are ground and filtered…but it’s bean water. And I’m okay with that.

AF: That makes it sound so gross.

JO: I just want you to know if you’re a black coffee purist, you need to know that I love myself and I’m okay with adding a little dairy.

AF: Nobody is judging you, Jeff. We just needed to know what you added.

JO: Oh- you mean I didn’t need to be defensive and fire back at all the haters?

AF: A good banter is always welcome! So moving right along… what is your back-story? How did you get here? Where did you go to school?

JO: I grew up in Metuchen, New Jersey. I played sports… which I know is really surprising.

AF: You were a little jock!

JO: I WAS a little jock. It was a small town so I didn’t need to feel that separation. All the jocks were also in plays because that’s just what you did. For instance when I did A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum in High School, a couple guys that were friends that played Football were like, “You know what we want to do this play!” So our prodient, who are basically the three guys that follow Pseudolus around the stage… two of them were the linemen on our Football team so they were huge. It was so funny. It was probably my favorite theatrical experience growing up.

AF: You peaked.

JO: That was my A-Ha moment. I knew deep down… So I played a million sports growing up.

AF: What was your favorite?

JO: Soccer. But then I got hurt my Freshman year running track- a growth injury. I had to get arthritic surgery, cortisone injection, and it was really tough to recover. I ended up quitting soccer which was tough and I lot of my friends hated me for a very long time, which I don’t blame them! But I wanted to recover so I could get back to running track. During that time I realized that I missed theatre. Also I’m from New Jersey so I’d been seeing shows on Broadway, or at Paper Mill. It’s a commuter town so that’s what I was used to. I was interested and I was comfortable on stage. I was more nervous in rehearsals than I was in the performances.

AF: Isn’t that funny? I feel like that’s the sure sign you’re destined to be on the stage.

JO: With the exception of the school matinees… those were hard shows. We’d always preview our shows at like third period… So I’m playing the Dentist in Little Shop and I’m thinking, “I’m going to lose some friends…”

AF: Oh no! You probably gained some!

JO: You’re right…I probably did. Thank God.

AF: I think it’s more nerve-racking to perform in front of your peers.

JO: A million percent. I’m way more nervous in my acting classes than in auditions… I applied to a ton of schools that I thought were pretty good and thought “If I get into any schools that are good, great but if not…I just won’t go to school for theatre.” So I tried doing a Music Industry class at Drexel University which was the biggest nightmare of my life. I wore a puka shell necklace, bright blue collared shirt, had my white K-Swiss sneakers on, and cargo shorts and everybody shows up and is rocking out. And I thought, “Oh wow the Music Industry is way different than I expected.” This is all pre Ed Sheeran.

AF: You had to go through that to know you wanted to do Musical Theatre!

JO: It’s not like I had a wealth of knowledge about Musical Theatre… like I tried to die in the monologue I did for a college audition. That’s how little I knew…

AF: That’s amazing.

JO: So I auditioned for five schools…I also was an idiot. When I went to do my tour of Ithaca in July I thought, “This is so gorgeous. This is great. I wonder what it’s like in Winter…” and the tour guide starts laughing and says, “That’s so funny you asked because last year it snowed on graduation…” And I decided right then and there that I would not be going there. I don’t like the cold! I also had been lucky enough to go to school with the same kids K-12 and so I knew I wanted to go to a big school but not too big… I wanted that feeling of familiarity. I didn’t even apply for some of the top schools because they’re all cold! I knew I would end up in NYC. I got into four out of five the schools I applied to and Elon was the only school I hadn’t toured. I took my own tour I guess. I went for a run and it was seventy degrees and beautiful and the flowers were in bloom and it just felt right. It’s a very homey environment. It IS a botanical garden. The day of my audition I was practicing in one of their practice rooms, playing the piano, and the guy Greg Maheu!

AF: I know him!

JO: Yes- Elon’s very own Jude Law! He’s like, “Dude- you’re up!” I’m like, “WHAT!” He’s like, “They’re running ahead of schedule!” Instead of being online I’m practicing and he was helping run the auditions so he came up to find me! So I jump on stage… and somebody had told me once to keep them wanting more so I sing, “Steal with Style” from Robber Bridegroom and I do the “B” section and I end it on the note going into the final section… and then I sang “Elaborate Lives” from Aida and same thing on the end moment right before the build…then “Thank you so much my name is Jeff Ostermueller.” And then they ask for my monologue and I did “The Zoo Story” and I fell to the ground and they’re like “Do it again and don’t die…” And they LET ME IN.

AF: You know what… it’s because you left them wanting more.

JO: So I go to Elon had the time of my life… then I did a couple jobs up until the holiday season. I did Pump Boys and Dinettes because I played the piano. I did a show called Married Life in Ft. Myers. Then I moved back home to New Jersey and commuted to the city every day and tried to save money. I couldn’t go back home during the day and had to bring a bag lunch. I read lots of books, saw a lot of friends… it was a grind for sure. I was starting to get to the point where I was like, “What do I do?” Then I was in callbacks for a couple things and then eventually booked the second nonunion national tour of Spring Awakening. One girl turned eighteen during rehearsals! It could not have been a better experience. Everyone with the exception of the real adults were between the ages of 18 and 24. We were in our own little world. It was nine months. I was up for a bunch of roles… and I kind of knew I was going to be a swing. It was between me and my college friend and Derek Klena- who was eighteen at the time. Honestly the final callback was the worst audition of my life. I had done this frog hop, leg workout with a friend of mine, so my legs were like twitching… and shaking. I’m singing “Left Behind” for all these people and literally my legs are going, I was sweating, and was wearing this shirt that said, “Real Men Date Dancers.” I’m wearing orange Nikes and jeans and I felt like such a loser because I was shaking and so nervous. They had me do the “tree nymf” scene and I asked to do it on the ground because I thought that would be better…

AF: The trend I’m sensing is that you just go for it and make strong, bold choices and these things work in your favor. Unless the team was like, “We feel bad for him… he’s twitching.” I love Spring Awakening. I feel like that would be an incredible show to tour with.

JO: It could not have been better. The coolest thing was going to place where we wondered how the show would be embraced. Alabama, Salt Lake, a lot of colleges… by the way college towns always have Insomnia cookies which is the BEST.

AF: How often did you go on?

JO: A LOT!

AF: Being a Swing requires such a specific skill-set. How did you eventually get to New York?

JO: I got back from tour and moved to the city. I loved it. I worked… I auditioned like crazy. I had the tour money, which I spent very quickly. I did a lot of little theatre gigs around the city…for no money obviously… a lot of workshops, a lot of shorts… There’s actually a very funny one on YouTube called, “Slash.” My friend Chris Staskill who I went to Elon with, had recently graduated from the NYU Writing program and he and his friend wrote a ten-minute musical about a drinking contest. You have to do five things and everybody in the audience drinks along. He wrote a Slash Fiction sketch, which is basically when you take two characters in different stories and you write them into one gay love story. I rapped in it called “No Homo.” We asked to be last and so people were so drunk by the time it was our turn. I walked out onto the stage and everybody started laughing and we were like, “Oh this is going to be great…” I do a lot of new works at NYU, actually, thanks to Chris.

AF: I love watching shows grow from the ground up. Tell me about some of the films you’ve created!

JO: Our roommate had a camera and had worked on television and he wanted to be a DP and had all the software and he was just looking for odd jobs. We did a short and then he wanted to do a feature. It’s cool we just got into it and submitted it to a ton of film festivals and it just got accepted into the St. Tropez film festival!

AF: I guess you’re going to France!

JO: Haha, we’ll see.

AF: Making your own art is the way to do it these days.

JO: It’s true. I spend a lot of time in class. I know my peers and teachers aren’t going to let me get away with anything. I’m doing a scene from Angels in America and so I’m reading up on Mormonism, I’m reading up on the gay colony, AIDS, and that research and curiosity sustains me for a month. I get so hyped about a scene in a class. This month- my friend Casey’s in Book of Mormon– we were playing Ping Pong and my adrenaline’s pumping and I start talking about Mormonism… it’s like all I could think about.

AF: That helps in your growth as an actor. It’s so informative.

JO: Then when I go to perform it, I’m living it rather than pretending!

AF: What has been one of your highest moments and what has been one of your lowest?

JO: One of my highs was when I hadn’t been called back for anything in a while and then out of nowhere, Actors Access, calls me in for After Glow Off Broadway. I remember reading the breakdown and thought, “Oh I’m not right for this at all…” but I went in. I go to the callbacks and was in there for so long and I’m making them laugh…and I don’t know if this character is a comedian but I was enjoying myself! I was off-book for the audition and felt solid.

AF: I would love to sit through some auditions.

JO: It’s so amazing to me how many people come in and don’t know what they want. It feels so good when a director is like, “We loved you but you’re just not what we’re looking for.” That means more to me than they know.

AF: It’s so nice to have that validation.

JO: I don’t think directors ever actually want you to give them what they want. I think they want to be surprised. Obviously you still need a plan and need to connect with your reader but that element of surprise is appealing. So my low would have to be asking my parents for money when I was twenty-seven. I was working at a bar…and it just happens. I spent a ton of money on classes.

AF: It’s so expensive to be an actor! That’s a common thing that happens! It’s humbling. So my last question is what are your words of wisdom?

JO: I’m not a quote person… it’s different every day. I think the thing that has stayed with me the most is the more you enjoy doing it for yourself the more others will enjoy it too. So number one should always be, are you having the most amount of fun possible? You know what’s not fun? Giving up performance… That’s rigid. We don’t do that in real life…so why are you doing that in performance? Chase the fun. Don’t you hate when you’re in the holding room and people are so serious?

AF: It can be a miserable energy.

JO: Your business is to entertain. If you can’t entertain yourself… you’re in the wrong headspace. It’s so important to focus on what you want. If you never give yourself time to ask, What do I want to pursuit? What do I want to cut out?- you’re not going to grow.

AF: It can be exhausting to always enjoy it too, though. I don’t always love it. But it’s important to take in all those emotions.

JO: I like talking about the arts and reflecting on what’s important.

AF: It’s so important to have those people building you up and to remember there’s no timeline. It’s easy to see people on Broadway or in film who are the same age and think, “Ugh, I should be doing that…” But if we were in that place we wouldn’t be here, growing in the ways we need.

JO: I think curiosity is the sexiest trait in the entire world. We’re explorers as actors. Stay curious! I do coachings. Come work with me!

AF: Cheers.

Jeff Leibow: Give Back

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Jeff Leibow started The NF Hope Concert in 2011 (whose 9-year-old daughter suffers from Neurofibromatosis), and over the years has raised over more than $600,000 for Neurofibromatosis research and advocacy. 100% of the proceeds go to Neurofibromatosis Network (NF Network). Last year alone, the events raised over $150,000. This year, he has brought together a group of bright talents to join forces for something bigger than themselves. The cast will feature Jeremy Stolle (Phantom of the Opera), Quinn VanAntwerp (The Play That Goes Wrong), husband and wife duo, Keith & Laura Nicole Harrison, (Emojiland, the much anticipated new show which Time Out LA has called “Hilarious”), Peter Saide (Desperate Measures), Ava Della Pietra (School of Rock), NYC Downtown performer, Migguel Anggelo, and many others. Jeff took some time to answer some questions about the event.

Drink of Choice: Pour over


 

AF: I always have to ask… how do you drink your coffee?

JL: I love a really good pour over. Lately, I’ve also gotten into bulletproof coffee.

AF: What’s your backstory?/How did you come to New York?

JL: When I was in college at UC Davis, a friend of mine dared me to audition for a production of the musical, A Chorus Line. I landed a part and fell in love with theater. A few years later, I landed my first professional job and set my sights on New York. I moved from California to New York in 1995. Circumstances eventually led me back to the west coast, and I tried putting the acting bug away. That didn’t last long, and eventually I landed a leading role in Jersey Boys. Even though I’m not living in New York, I’m glad at least the NF Hope Concert is finding a home in my favorite city in the world.

AF: What prompted you to start the NF Hope Concert?

JL: When my daughter, Emma, was a couple months old, her pediatrician notice some new birthmarks. A month later, she noticed more and told us they might not be birthmarks, but rather a symptom of a rare neurological disorder called Neurofibromatosis. The same day, my wife and I pulled the ultimate rookie maneuver and Googled it. A few hours of crying and absolute fear later, we started looking up support organizations. I made a call that day to Neurofibromatosis Network and ended up spending two hours on the phone with the Executive Director, Kim Bischoff. It was during that conversation Kim asked me if I could think of something I could do to get involved, and I said, “Sure.” That was when the NF Hope Concert was born.

AF: How would you define Neurofibromatosis in your own words? 

JL: I usually give the standard written answer to this…NF is a neurological disorder characterized by tumor that can grow on any nerve in the body at any time…blah, blah, blah. If I’m being totally real, my definition of NF is: hell, absolute fear caused by not knowing what this insidious thing will mean for my daughter. It’s one thing getting used to the fact that your kid will fall and get bruised. It is something totally different to look at your kid and talk about brain tumors and tumors that may become an incurable cancer.

AF: That takes a lot of strength. What is your favorite part about doing the NF Hope Concert?

JL: Feeling like I have something I can DO for Emma. Standing on that stage actively helping her and a whole community of people, when there is very little else I can do. The fact that I can do what I love as a means to that end only makes it better.

AF: What can people expect from this concert?

JL: People can expect to entertained. They should expect to be educated as well. They can expect to be inspired. And when it all over, I hope they will be left feeling connected to a cause they didn’t know existed until they decided to come to a concert one Sunday night in Manhattan.

AF: How/where can people donate?

JL: The easiest way for people to contribute to the concert is by visiting our auction site: https://nfhopenyc18.auction-bid.org/ There they can contribute (via the “Donate Now” link), register for the silent auction and even purchase their tickets.

AF: What are your words of wisdom?

JL: Find a cause you are passionate about, and give back. There is nothing more fulfilling than witnessing what happens when you change someone’s life for the better.


 

Details for the NF HOPE CONCERT:

WHEN: Sunday May 20th at 7:30 pm

WHERE: SubCulture. 45 Bleeker Street

TICKETS/Press Release:

 http://www.twoshepsthatpass.com/NFHopePressRelease2018NYC.pdf

Maggie McDowell: Nothing Ventured, Nothing Gained

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Maggie and I met at Belmont University when she was a Senior and I was Freshman! I have always looked up to her and was thrilled when she agreed to chat over coffee. She brought her perfect baby, Thomas to share in the cool vibes at Up Heights. This is one of the most underrated cafes uptown! It was cozy and cool with a grafitti wall, painted library bookshelf, and options of gelato, specialized coffee drinks, or pastries. Over baby cuddles and iced coffee we talk how Maggie got her Equity card, path to her Broadway debut, why she’s a true believer in open calls, and what it’s like now balancing a baby and a side-business! 

Drink of choice: Iced Coffee


AF: We have Maggie AND Thomas on the blog!

MM: Thomas just woke up for the interview!

AF: We are both drinking iced coffees… but Maggie- what is your usual drink of choice?

MM: Iced coffee, girl. With a baby you need caffeine quickly and it takes too long to drink coffee for me. I guess I’m just a wimp but I need it to be a lot cooler…or else… I just can’t.

AF: Also holding a baby on you…

MM: Yes, if you’re drinking over them, you don’t want to have to worry about spilling scalding hot coffee! Iced coffee is my go-to. Even in the dead of winter… it’s fast and it’s good. You need a lot of caffeine when you have a baby!

AF: I’m glad you can drink it now!

MM: Oh yes. Me too.

AF: So I always ask… what is your back-story? I mean…I know…but other people don’t!

MM: I grew up in CT in the Hartford area and I grew up singing in choir and doing the church musicals. My mom is from Georgia and my dad’s from Seattle so Connecticut was kind of like a random place for us. So, because of that I wanted to get out New England for college especially since I knew I wanted to end up in New York City. I wanted to give myself a chance to explore another part of the country. My sister went to Vanderbilt so I had heard about Belmont in Nashville. I studied Musical Theatre with Annabelle there! Yeah- I loved their program, I loved that city… it was the best of both worlds. I loved that we had a full college experience with a campus and all that but we were also in a city. When I moved to New York I felt like I’d had the full college experience whereas if I’d gone to college in the city I think I may have been distracted…. being pulled in all sorts of different directions… so it was a really great fit for me! And then I moved to New York after graduation and I’ve been here ever since!

AF: And now she has a perfect baby!

MM: I do! I met my husband in college. He was not a Musical Theatre major… he was in Music Business.

AF: But always fully supportive of it. He’s like a Musical Theatre nerd on the inside!

MM: His sister did theatre in high school so I think that prepped him for being around crazy theatre people. I remember one the first times we hung out was at a Musical Theatre party that I threw for our friend, Andrea, and I think what I was so impressed by was how comfortable he was in that crowd. I didn’t have to babysit him and I thought he was just so independent! He’s always so comfortable at cast parties and opening nights even though he’s not in the biz! He did some internships in the city with Jimmy Fallon, moved to New York, and has been working with the same ad agency as a music supervisor ever since, so he’s killin’ it!

AF: I didn’t realize that!

MM: He really holds down the fort.

AF: And we’re neighbors! So what did your first couple of years look like in the city? What was that path like for you?

MM: I moved here when I was Non-Eq…

AF: And how was that?

MM: I don’t think I even really knew what was happening. I just knew you get up really early in the morning and sit outside in the cold… and I did that. I woke up early and I pounded the pavement. My first year in the city I booked two shows at Equity houses as a Non-Equity performer. One was Legally Blonde at Fireside Playhouse and I booked Doralee in Nine to Five at Theatre by the Sea. Those were amazing and led me to a couple more Equity contracts and I got my card doing the role of Annie Oakley in Annie Get Your Gun. That director introduced me to my agents. So when I got back from that contract it was the summertime so I just went to a ton of EPA’s to figure out what that was like. It was exciting to finally get seen and be able to build on relationships with casting directors. Even though must calls were required it was great to get in that room… It was a good time to get in the groove and see what it was like to have my card! The end of that summer I went to an EPA for a show I’d never heard of. And I read on the ‘in the room’ page that Seth Rudetsky was the accompanist. I sang a song that I pulled out of nowhere…. It was “Baracuda by Heart” I had this random book of music from college that of sheet music that I had printed on random occasions and I knew I needed a song from the 1970’s so I flipped through only looking at the bottom of every page at the copywright dates and saw 1979. Stephen plunked it out on his guitar and then the first time I sang it was in the audition… I just remember after I sang Seth said ‘nice belt!’ And I literally looked down to see if I was wearing a belt…

AF: Haha- does he remember that?

MM: Haha probably not! But anyways… I got cast in an Off-Broadway production of Disaster! I was cast in the ensemble. During the end of the run they bumped me up to the role of Marianne, which was such a blast.

AF: And how long was that run?

MM: We ran November to April… it was amazing. Then I did some regional theatre that summer and kept on hitting the EPA’s, getting some appointments…but I’ve always believed in the open calls. That’s how I was first seen for Kinky Boots.

AF: You are a walking testament that EPA’s matter. I think a lot of people believe nobody is really there looking…

MM: You just never know! I’ve gone to a ton of required calls but to me it’s about building the relationships, getting in front of people, obviously going to things you’re right for… but I feel when those opportunities did come about… it was because I’d done the leg work. I’d auditioned for Kinky Boots a lot but tried not to give up hope so I decided it wasn’t a matter of if but a matter of when. I went in for another project that this casting director was casting… and I got a callback for that and then over the weekend a role opened up in Kinky Boots on tour… and because I’d been in callbacks for that so much in the past… the direct offer for a role came on a Monday after auditioning for something else! I guess I was fresh in their minds and things just worked out. And then Disaster! came back around and I got to make my Broadway debut in a show that I just LOVED. It’s totally my sense of humor. It’s so silly and has amazing music… and so yeah… that’s been my path! New York has been good to me so far. I feel like it’s just a matter of putting yourself out there.

AF: So how does the city feel now with a baby, navigating auditions… where do you see yourself in ten years?

MM: So- obviously the baby’s still really young but I have started going to some auditions! A friend of ours is helping out in the mornings, and I’m going to some EPA’s and ECC’s but it doesn’t feel much different than after being gone on tour or something. Except you have to pay for childcare-ha! There are some new faces in casting since before I was pregnant and so, I feel like it’s helpful for me to go in and meet these people and build these relationships so when I get submitted they know who I am.

AF: We’re so distracted by Thomas right now. He’s so happy and so good!

MM: He’s so amazingly fat.

AF: He’s the most adorable little fatty blob!

MM: I just stare at him all day… he’s just the sweetest.

AF: You made a beautiful, perfect, luscious baby. So as you were saying… you’re working on reestablishing yourself…getting back in the room…

MM: It gives me a chance to revisit my book, and reminds me what I do… in the audition room… and by putting that into practice so when I do get appointments I won’t go in super “cold.” It’s the way that I’ve booked work in the past… and it does take a little bit of extra effort… but I’m already up early in the morning with Thomas! What’s great is when I’m downtown auditioning I’ll book practice rooms and there’s something really therapeutic about singing above lullaby volume. It’s like….”oh this is what I do.” You’re either too busy pounding the pavement, walking the dog, making sure the baby is fed that you forget, “I’m a performer and I sing and I need this.” That practice time is like my own therapy session. I have no idea what will be next but I feel like since Stephen and I moved to the city we’ve kind of been making it up as we go…

AF: And I have to commend you both! We’re all trying to figure it out but you guys set such a good example of partnership, putting each other and your family first, and it’s really encouraging to see how you’re making it work in such a healthy way!

MM: Thank you! We talk a lot about being a team first and foremost… none of what we do is easy and living in the city is not easy. All of my success is thanks to him. I can’t tell you how many times when I first moved here, my alarm would go off at 5:30 am and I wouldn’t want to go and he held me accountable. It’s important to him because it’s important to me. He’s been a constant encouragement and cheerleader to keep me accountable to keep trying. I’ve had plenty of rejection and it’s easy to want to give up when you’re down to the final two and don’t book… but at the end of the day because we have each other none of that all seems too bad.

AF: You help each other maintain the healthy perspective.

MM: Yes… and I feel because there’s so much rejection and because everything’s so unpredictable… you have to have a life outside of performing! It doesn’t have to be being married with a baby… that ended up being my path. But it could be investing in important friendships, or having a side business, or teaching, or a hobby that fulfills you…something that fuels you other than performing because what we do is so unpredictable and there’s so much rejection involved that if that’s your end all be all… that’s going to be pretty hard to stay positive. You need other things in your life that bring you joy and that you can focus on! Also on the flipside, that way when you get in the room you’re also bringing in those varied life experiences…. you are a well rounded human! One of my first auditions back was portraying a woman in labor and it was like ‘wow I’ve got so much sense memory for this!’ Living life outside of the bubble of performing keeps me sane.

 AF: So now tell us how you got started with Rodan and Fields!

MM: It’s been so great! It came to me as our family was growing and I was exploring ways I could work from home. My ‘survival job’ while I’m auditioning was always working in childcare/babysitting…and now I’m a full time babysitter aka MOM! If I ever do spend time away from him I didn’t want to spend it bartending or in retail, I want it to be at auditions or booking my next job. So, a girlfriend of mine who’s in Nashville, has a toddler, and is running her business from home, and I just loved the flexibility. I also just wanted to treat myself as a new mom with amazing skincare products that work. So, when I found out I could have both… it was a no brainer. Since its virtual with no inventory, I can do it from wherever so, its been a great side hustle. Performance jobs are unpredictable and so, ya gotta pay for diapers somehow!

AF: That’s so great. I need that Lash-Boost!

MM: Well I have a girlfriend who doesn’t even wear fake lashes in her Broadway show because her lashes are so long from the serum. It’s good to feel confident in your skin whether you’re a performer or not. So I’m wearing a lot of hats these days! Mom, Actress and new business owner!

AF: So what would you say your words of wisdom would be to someone who’s an aspiring artist, mom… what are words that resonate a lot with you lately?

MM: Well something that mom has always told me is, “Nothing ventured, nothing gained.” I’ve always loved that. She’s always told me if you don’t put yourself out there, you won’t know if it’s for you or not. If you don’t ‘venture’ you’ll never ‘gain’ anything. There have been a lot of things I didn’t think I was right for and I ended up booking because it’s just not up to us!

 AF: What role??

 MM: I’m embarrassed to say, I didn’t know much about the classic Annie Oakley… and somebody else saw that for me. I almost said no to the audition because I didn’t see it for myself. And in terms of having a family… there’s never the “right” timing for that, especially as a performer, but we ventured and took the leap and it ended up being the perfect timing. I had no idea what the insane joy this would bring to us. We’ve gained so much. At the end of the day, having a family was really important to us and the rest of the performing stuff will fall into place. I didn’t know what that was going to look like and I still don’t know what it will happen. I just know I didn’t want to wait until my career was in the “perfect spot” cause I don’t think you’ll ever know.

 AF: Thomas, any last words?

MM: Haha- he agrees, “Nothing ventured, nothing gained.”

AF: You are doing it. You are paving the way!

MM: It’s a juggling act! But he always comes first and we continue to just make it up as we go! I knew that I always wanted to be a performer but I also always wanted to be a mom. If something is important to you and you work hard it will always work out. We can’t wait to see what comes next!

Allison Maldonado: If you’re not happy where you are, remove yourself.

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I met Allison at the famous, McNulty’s, to get a whiff of their vintage shop and strong coffee beans and then we headed to Prodigy Coffee for an iced cappuccino and mocha. There we picked a window seat in the sun and talked about her move from California to NYC, early love of “On the Town,” the joining of fashion and theatre, and her high hopes for her vintage reality show!

*Drink of choice: Mocha with coconut milk


AF: What are you drinking right now?

AM: I am drinking my afternoon pick me up, Mocha with coconut milk. I am a very big coffee drinker so I love this whole entire idea! I have on average two a day. When things are really busy in my life… I’ll do three a day! In the morning I always drink one of the Starbucks bottles… the medium roast. I have it iced at all times of the year and depending on what time of day it is my second drink will most likely always be a mocha or nitro cold brew. I’ve never been here before…but this is a pretty damn good mocha!

AF: So tell us where you’re from and what brought you to the city?

AM: I’m originally from San Diego, California. I moved when I was eighteen. People think I’m kind of crazy for moving from such a paradisial place to a city where we currently have the remains of a blizzard on the ground. I was never a big beach bunny… the goal was always to move to the East Coast. When I was three or four I saw On the Town on the TV at my grandma’s house. I saw Gene Kelly and Vira Ellen all singing and dancing, looking amazing, in this place called New York and it really stuck with me. And in my mind I thought, “I want to do that, and wear beautiful dresses, and sing and dance!” That idea always stayed and it still has stayed and in October I will hit my ten years of being in the city!

AF: Congratulations! Cheers to ten years!

AM: I’ve been doing a lot of reflecting on this decade coming up and on one hand it feels like that’s not a reality but then I think about all the relationships, friend groups, different jobs, different gigs and it’s like…oh yes it HAS been ten years.

AF: After ten years they say you’re a New Yorker!

AM: I definitely feel that way. I definitely was really lucky. I came here for school… I went to AMDA, and came into a community of people who were into the exact same things I was!

AF: Were you auditioning while you were in school?

AM: No AMDA has a policy where they don’t allow their students to audition until their fourth semester. The fourth semester all your classes are at nighttime… so you are able to. To be honest… I booked work out of school and I booked work with a lot of the teachers that I had at AMDA but it was weird because I went to school from eighteen to twenty so when I got out and I just wanted to enjoy the city a little more! I didn’t really start booking work until I was twenty-two.

AF: So you’re first thing came when you were twenty-two…

AM: I did quite a few Off-Broadway shows! I did three with Musicals Tonight! The person who used to direct all of them was an AMDA person and so I got really lucky and was basically given a role out of school and then on top of that I got to know them and would go in to their auditions so I did three with them from 2010-2012. At twenty-two I was really interested in doing some regional contracts… I wanted to leave the city and see what that was like! I did Damn Yankees in Florida and I did a really long contract of Grease in Reno, Nevada that year. Reno was probably where I learned I truly loved coffee.

AF: Is that near Las Vegas?

AM: It’s not but lots of people think that it is! I met two of my best friends on that contract and one of those friends, Dan said that he was telling all his friends he was performing in Vegas because nobody knew what Reno was! It’s quote on quote “the biggest little city on Earth.” It’s six hours north of Vegas and parallel to San Fran. It’s a weird but also very charming town. It was bizarre to do a contract for so long there… we got to know people in the neighborhood! Half of the people are unemployed and have no teeth and live at the casinos and the other half are super young and into Burning man and into medicinal healing…so long story short I started to get out of the city more and more! I did three years of the national tour of A Christmas Story. I got to play a ton of ensemble characters! It was really sentimental because we were away from our families over the holidays but with these new friends… who were becoming our families! For three years it was mostly the same people! But whenever I have been in between gigs I’ve always worked in the fashion industry. A lot of people tend to work in the food service industry… but I was like if I’m going to be in NYC and enjoy my time here… I’m going to do something that I love. So I’ve been very lucky where I come into environments and they respect my schedule. I worked on and off for Kate Spade, was a Manager for their men’s location, Jack Spade, James Purse, which is a California brand, and then I’ve interned at Theory as a visual person, and now I work for a company called Shinola, predominantly known for their watches. They have a very distinct, retro look. They’ve had a huge hand in contributing to the renaissance of Detroit. I was there for Christmas Story a couple years ago and it was crazy to see how much the company has helped the city come back to life! They have a factory there…they employed a lot of people after the auto industry started to fail there…and now they’re making watches! It’s been cool having my hand in both jars… doing everything that I love all in one.

AF: So when was Vintage Voyageur born?

AM: So 2016 was a pretty rough year. It was a good year and a rough year for many reasons. It was a big year of growth. I ended a long-term relationship that was very hard but I needed to let it go. I worked a lot that year. I did a Mary Poppins in Lancaster that summer and then I was going back in the winter for Christmas Story and in between the gigs I had two months. When I did Mary Poppins I had my own room…so I had a lot of free time and time to myself to think about what I wanted to do. I had had the idea to do a reality show about Vintage shopping for about two years prior…but of course all the demons in my head were telling me nobody wanted it and nobody would fund me…

AF: It’s crazy that we have to fight those voices every day.

AM: Every single day. You’re always going to be told that you can’t. But anyways… I all of a sudden found myself out of the Mary Poppins contract, I was unemployed, I had quite a bit of free time, and savings saved up and thought, “I’m going to do this.” I wanted to create something that makes people feel good and laugh…because this was when we were going into that political climate. It was August and I called up a really good friend of mine who’s now in Mean Girls on Broadway, Nikhil Saboo. He’s super into videography and I told him about my idea and asked if he wanted to help and he said, “Absolutely.” So it was all just very serendipitous because over the course of two months he was also between gigs. I started to cold call a ton of Vintage stores saying, “So I have this idea…for a new show that I’m going to put on YouTube and it’s a reality show where I visit Vintage stores and I teach people how to wear Vintage clothing…” That was my pitch and to my delight they were all on board! Nobody has done it… and what’s crazy now two years later there’s still not a show like it! When I was starting to brainstorm the idea and name (I obviously like alliterations) and starting to do research it was crazy to realize nothing like it already existed! So Nikhil and I taped seven episodes in the course of a month and I started to release episodes as it was going along. It’s just continued to grow from there. The day that I released the trailer for it, I remember it got over two-thousand views in the course of twenty-four hours… in 2016… which is a different technological climate than we are in now…

AF: YouTube was big then now it’s Instagram, right?

AM: Exactly! So it was very clear in the first couple of hours in releasing everything that people wanted to see something like this… and sure enough now, two years later, the show has had a lot of wonderful success. It’s moved from YouTube to Amazon Prime. I’m on their independent filmmaker website, so that’s an amazing thing to be a part of! It was nominated for the Best Unscripted Series in the New York Web Fest and it was up for a ton of awards in an Online Festival last year at this time. I’ve been able to walk in a Vintage Fashion show during New York Fashion Week because of it, which was maybe the coolest thing ever to come out of this! It’s been this amazing way of combining all my favorite worlds into one. The bigger motive was always, “What can I make that is fully mine?” because as performers we’re on somebody else’s time and I wanted to create something that was fully my own. The cool thing about it too was after the first season, I was going back on tour for the third time on Christmas Story and I thought well, I can still do the show on the road and I had people in my cast help me, and I came back to the city to film a couple episodes and it kind of took on a life of its own. This was after the election and so it was a very different world all of a sudden. Everyone was upset but everyone was also really reaching out, offering their stores as safe-havens where people could write letters to their senators, people were holding Yoga classes to become centered; there was so much more of a sense of a community in the second season so it organically became more about the importance of shopping small business, how small business can change the community that you’re in, and the importance of shopping sustainable because we have an administration that doesn’t believe in climate change…

AF: Hello- literally extreme climate shifts are happening…

AM: People don’t realize that the fashion industry is second biggest polluter in the world next to oil. It’s unbelievable the amount of dye that’s dumped into the ocean and the scraps of fabric that are put in landfills. Everything goes back to “fast fashion” and the harm that H&M, Zara, Top Shop are causing on the environment… I’m very happy that my show has opened up awareness to shopping Vintage, get something that’s made really well, pay the same or a little more for it, know it will last, and I’m not contributing to the “fast fashion” world.

AF: I love second-hand stores.

AM: Everything I’m wearing is second-hand!

AF: It’s the gift that keeps on giving!

AM: If it’s made well, let it continue having a life! Give it away, consign it, give it to any Vintage store! Of course all of us have gone to Buffalo Exchange… and we’ve thought it’s so nice and we don’t get much in return… so it’s better to take to a legitimate Vintage store! But anyway… the show is my baby, I’m super excited because when I created it I imagined it getting to the point it is at currently and in my head I thought, “I’ll stop when it gets there and I’ll go back to performing” but I really love what it’s become and I want it to get even bigger so I’m launching a website for it on the seventh of April! It’s coming! People can go there, watch the episodes, and you can read more in depth about each Vintage store I’ve covered, and you can donate for the third season! I’m trying to pair with different production companies.

AF: This show needs to be on E, or TLC!

AM: I’d love for it to be on HGTV! My idea of course for the third season is to take it on the road and make it bigger and go International. For that I of course need more funds, more hands, more minds. I’ve done it all on my own up until now! I’m very excited to see what the next step is!

AF: So obviously you’re working on your next season and website…how many Vintage stores have you covered?

AM: Eighteen stores and brands and in the second season I had a couple more online stores because of course that’s a big thing now… but one of the online stores that we covered, we filmed last year in March and then we came back and filmed in July and they’d just opened a store in New York! It’s amazing to see a business grow and to have it captured in a twenty-minute episode! Also in the second season I covered a Vintage blogger… she lives in Williamsburg and handle is, Clothesandpizza- her whole thing is she mixes modern and vintage clothing and can always grab a slice to go. I’m hoping the third season can be longer episodes, where I cover a personality, blogger, and a Vintage store that connects to who they are, and go all over the world!

AF: I think that’s going to happen.

AM: My fingers are crossed.

AF: I feel like that’s something everyone wants to watch! Vintage is so in these days… and it’s easy enough to get your hands on Vintage pieces or household items… and then you find those gems and it’s so special because there’s so much history there! It’s so important to reuse things and find the beauty.

AM: It’s nice to have something that always has a story. It’s so special when the owner knows where each piece came from. You’re essentially wearing history!

AF: That justifies the purchase!

AM: Yes, you’re wearing history!

AF: Do you find that creating and working on your show motivates you even more as an actor and helps you in your craft or do you think you’re leaning towards shifting gears?

AM: I think it all works together! As artists we are so creative in so many different ways! It’s really great that we’re living in a time with technology, and we’re able to explore all of those things. I do think that while I’m still very much a performer right now the muscle that’s the strongest is the creator muscles, the editor muscle, the hosting muscle… I think to be multi-faceted you’re not going to be 100% at everything all the time. There’s just no way.

AF: What would your words of wisdom be?

AM: Oh God key quotes. I think for anyone who has the dream of coming here… and now being here ten years I would tell younger Allison… “No bullshit… this is really hard. Everyone knows the song, ‘If I can make it there… I’ll make it anywhere’ but making it in the industry… means just waking up and living day to day. You just got to keep doing it. If you love it here and feel fulfilled… then you’re meant to be doing it.” However when it comes to creating… the thing that sticks with me is the woman that created Spanx, she said, if you have a good idea for something you should wait an entire year before putting it into fruition and don’t tell anybody about it. As artists, and entrepreneurs you have so many ideas… but then how many do you lose? All those ideas get left by the wayside but the ones that stick for a whole entire year… those are the ones that are meant to be. That really resonated with me and is kind of what I did with Vintage Voyageur. When I finally shared my idea with a friend that’s when it began to receive that affirmation. For younger people, I would say… if it’s really on your mind… really do it. It takes so much work so ruminating about it and making sure it’s something you’re passionate about it is worth it. Also- you don’t have to struggle and scrape in Manhattan… you can live in a borough.

AF: Right- just remove yourself!

AM: I didn’t realize how much I needed the change until I moved. So with that I say, live where makes you happy and keep your eyes pealed for the third season of the Vintage Voyageur!

AF: Cheers!

 

Allie Trimm: Crumbs are Good but Go for the Cake

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Allie and I met in person last year when we both performed in the same Christmas concert through Less Than Rent Theatre. Though this was our first time meeting,  I had known of her name and talent since I was a mere thirteen year old. Allie originated the role of Patrice in the Broadway hit, Thirteen, went on to do Birdie… and spoke with me about her transition from Broadway kid to woman on the audition grind! Taszo Espresso Bar is her neighborhood coffee shop and so we justified repeating the location on the blog for convenience purposes and to make use of her punch card! 

*Drink of Choice: Almond Milk Latte


 

AF: Okay I just have to say… I was obsessed with Thirteen the musical…

AT: It’s the gift that keeps on giving! It’s like such a cult thing that exists and that will always exist.

AF: “What it Means to be a Friend” was my song in college!

AT: I love it. When I go out… little kids come up to me and always have something to say about it. It’s fun to see productions of it now because I get really emotional when I see other people doing it. It was just such a good show. It was such a transformative time in my life. I was thirteen.

AF: Okay so let’s start with what are you drinking right now?

AT: I’m drinking an Almond Milk Latte because I have a punch card here and I come all the time. I live right around the corner. I had my punch card filled and so today is my day for a free drink. Usually I’ll just get a coffee, keep it simple… but today it was an Almond latte.

AF: So is this your drink of choice?

AT: If I’m at a local coffee shop, which is what I prefer… I like a nice drink.

AF: And you got a nice muffin…this is an EVENT!

AT: Totally an event. I slept in this morning for this morning for the first time in weeks and my mom is here so…my mom leaves tomorrow and I leave on Tuesday morning…

AF: To go to Vegas…

AT: To move to Las Vegas…!

AF: Okay let’s go back to the beginning. Where are you from… how did you get here?

AT: I’m originally from San Diego and I grew up doing community theatre there and then I started doing professional theatre when I was really young… seven or eight. I did local productions and a agent, Judy Bowman had seen me and when I was thirteen she reached out to me asked if I wanted to audition for them. My mom and I were like, “Okay….” I just had no idea… I think I was just really loud so my parents put me in community theatre as a way to get my out of the house… I guess it was almost like glorified babysitting. So I signed with this agency and the same week they were having Thirteen auditions in Los Angeles. It was one day…and I mean I didn’t know anything. I was prepared to sing a Christina Aguilera song and they’re like it’s a Jason Robert Brown Musical all about kids… and I was like, “Who?” I was in seventh grade… I didn’t even really know what Broadway was. The only reason I know what it was was because of Wicked… so this audition was for the Goodspeed production. Long story short I was there for four hours and because they only had one day they had firs round, second round, callbacks, all in one day. They were cutting people as we went. They ended up hiring like five kids from that day in LA. We all went to Goodspeed and the rest is history! It was just the most bizarre thing! I was all prepared to sing Christina Aguilera and I was in the bathroom and thought, “I’m not going to do that…” and then I hear them calling my name so I’m shuffling my papers and I go out and go to the audition room and could not have told you who was who at the table… and I was like, “Hi my name’s Allie Trimm and I’ll be singing the “Rainbow Connection” by Kermit the Frog.” And the whole table looked at me like, “Who is this KID!?” And Georgia Stitt… Jason Robert Brown’s wife, was playing the auditions and I’m pretty sure when I gave her the tempo I said, “Okay so you can just pep it up here…make it a little bumpy!” It was the wildest experience. We had a dance callback and I didn’t know that there was going to be one so I danced in a dress and Bermuda shorts… because I was thirteen and still wore Bermuda shorts. They were like four inches longer than my dress was.

AF: That’s amazing. Those are the stories that you’re like… wow what a humbling time!

AT: In the dance audition they had us improv. the first eight measures of the song and people were doing pirouettes and breakdancing and I stood there for eight beats and did “The Robot” but like really poorly… I just stood there and Robotted.

AF: I wish there was a documentary of “the making of Thirteen.”

AT: I wish! I would pay money to see that. But it worked out… and Patrice is classically awkward and she would do “the Robot.”

AF: Did they team write characters influenced by you guys….

AT: Partially… they had already done a ton of workshops and readings for the show before I auditioned so I came in kind of late in the game… however at Goodspeed they learned a lot about our voices. It’s very challenging to write music for kids who are going through puberty, especially… It was definitely a challenge… once we opened on Broadway some of the boys voices were changing… but the song “Lamest Place in the World” wasn’t in the production until after Goodspeed. Jason sent me a Facebook message and goes, “Allie I’ve got a new song for you. It’s gonna be really hard.” So he wrote that with my voice in mind which is really, really cool. Now that I hear it it’s like… there’s a part of me that is like… I was there when it was made! They would have us sit in rehearsal and just hang out and they’d come in the next day with script rewrites with things we actually said! Slang terms…”Let’s get shizzy with it!” Now when you see it done in theatres anywhere you hear those one lines and you know, “That was Liz…” Little baby things that are memorialized into this show. It was super cool! The coolest thing is that it just taken on a life of its own post Broadway… I can’t tell you how many productions I’ve seen. I’m biased but the show has an affect on kids. It feels different. You’re playing a version of yourself… It’s a different way of self-expression as a thirteen year old.

AF: What is your favorite story from the rehearsal process?

AT: I mean we were all thirteen through seventeen so we had all of our early high school drama on top of the stresses of performing on Broadway eight times a week… it was a LOT. I don’t remember it being stressful or hard… I remember the petty drama! Like laughing about how DUMB it was… I remember that being the end of the world but the actual pressure of performing on Broadway was just not a thing.

AF: That’s crazy to me!

AT: It’s weird to me too, because now as an adult I would probably get more nervous.

AF: Do you think you would approach theatre in a totally different way had you not had that experience at such a young age?

AT: That’s a good question… I don’t know the answer! Like I said…I didn’t really know what Broadway was when I was little so it was definitely not like my “dream to be on Broadway.” I didn’t know that that could be a dream… So for me, theatre was just fun. It was just fun and I got so lucky that I got to do it at thirteen. It wasn’t about making money or making a career… it was just about singing with my friends. There’s a lot to learn from that as an adult now that we’re like okay we have to pay our bills… this is our career… we have to advocate for ourselves… a lot of this can take away from the joy of just doing it. There’s a lot to learn from that “inner child.” My inner child friggin did it and she knows what it is. It was the same with Bye Bye Birdie. To me, it just felt like summer camp.

AF: That’s amazing. I wish that was everyone’s mentality. That’s such an awesome way to approach that kind of work.

AT: I just didn’t know any different. I was so young. I was a YOUNG thirteen year old, too. I was so sheltered. I came to New York and was like, “Woah strangers will talk to you!?” It was definitely a culture shock. I’m still close with everyone from the shows. I just saw Jason Robert Brown in concert last night with Sutton Foster and so that was a dream… I mean I learned to sing from singing along with Sutton’s “Astonishing.” That was my song… It’s always so inspiring to see your childhood idols perform…

AF: So you did Thirteen and then how much time passed before Bye Bye Birdie?

AT: It was consecutive. I have the best family… so I booked Thirteen and my whole family moved to New York City from San Diego… and we didn’t know what to expect, we didn’t know how long it would run… my dad kind of traveled back and forth but my brother was nine and my sister was five and they transferred to a little school on the Upper West Side. We lived on 99th and Broadway… in the best apartment.

AF: That’s a dream…

AT: We opened the run of Thirteen in October and closed in January so it was short, one season… then moved back home thinking that was it and then I booked Bye Bye Birdie months later and so then I moved back in August to New York for rehearsals. So it was a lot of back and forth. So when I came back for Bye Bye Birdie my mom asked my brother and sister if they wanted to come back for an adventure and they were like, “That was really fun but we’re just going to stay home this time….”

AF: That must have been hard to be away from family…

AT: We were lucky because the run coincided with Thanksgiving and Christmas and they were here for all of December, opening… my parents made it work in a way that I am so grateful for.

AF: There’s no way to make it work unless your parents are one hundred percent on board… you know?

AT: Yeah. I don’t think anyone could do it if they were fourteen and had no parental support.

AF: What do you think about this new movement with all the kids of Broadway starting even younger? Matilda, School of Rock….

AT: It’s pretty crazy. I also think it’s different because social media has advanced so much since 2008… And if anything affected me the most in a negative way it was reading YouTube comments, people taking videos when you didn’t know… and seeing what people would say about you… it’s so accessible. I would go on Broadway World message boards and type in my name and see what they were saying and when you’re thirteen… that’s hard to read! The way information is passed around now I think that would be really challenging. But I also think my big challenge that I didn’t care so much about was school… I was doing online homeschooling… there were glitches in the program- you didn’t have a human to talk to…. So I would get an answer right or I wouldn’t understand why I’d get it wrong… there was no one to really explain it. It was really hard. You’re working with a computer that isn’t perfected yet. So that was challenging and I have a feeling now that may be less of a challenge… They would have tutors come in. The way I remember it was that they were overseeing if someone had a question they could guide them but if I answered a question right on the computer and get a zero on the test even though I got a good grade, the tutor has nothing to do with that online system. It would be challenging because some kids were coming in from PPAS, or other performing arts high schools in the city, homeschooling, everyone was doing their own thing… there was no unified system for it. I would hope that’s a little different now. I would have to talk to some of today’s Broadway Babies!

AF: I think I would miss the accountability… of having a teacher check my work.

AT: It was so hard. We’d be in a tutoring session and we’d have kids in heels on tables with brooms in their hands belting “Defying Gravity” and we’d be like doing our math homework… it was not organized. When I finished Thirteen and I got back to California I was so behind in my schooling that I couldn’t just filter back in with my friends so I had to basically start over. It was really hard because I had to catch up and also start over.

AF: So you can attest to the fact that doing Broadway at a young age is amazing but you also had to make many sacrifices…

AT: Yeah- it took a toll. It didn’t feel like that at a time… It hit me a few years afterwards. The emotional aspect of it too! It was bizarre because when you’re thirteen your world revolves around you. Really from age twelve to eighteen… the world revolves around you! And so when you’re in that part of your life and you’re also going to the stage door and performing for an audience that’s clapping for YOU and you’re getting good reviews… it made me identify my self-worth with what people thought of me. And so to go from that to normal high school it felt super low and boring… I had to ask, “Who am I, what am I even doing?” It was a bit of a crisis! I think whatever the chemistry is in your brain… when you’re going through such a high resonating life to just very calm and normal and neutral… even though that’s average it feels so much less than because you’re used to this insane level of activity and that was a really hard adjustment because I was so used to being stimulated. I was used to getting a lot of positive reinforcement on my worth and talent and personality… many times a day people would tell me this! I don’t know how actual child celebrities do it… I had a sliver of a glimpse into what that life could look like.

AF: It’s amazing to hear you say that. You were definitely Broadway famous…

AT: Very short-lived…

AF: I mean you’re recognizable!

AT: It was short-lived. I’d be sitting at Junior’s eating cheesecake and I’d see kids across the way trying to take pictures.

AF: Patrice has got to EAT!

AT: But little things like that… taught my thirteen year old brain that I was “important” and then when people weren’t taking pictures of me eating cheesecake I was like, “What’s wrong with me!?” So as absurd as it sounds… it was a weird, bizarre, challenge to get through that adolescent phase.

AF: So that transition from child on Broadway to now… To me- as an outsider… it seems your career is thriving and you still enjoy performing! I feel sometimes child actors lose interest in performing after that season in their life.

AT: I had a really great experience. I went back to school after I finished Birdie. I went to public high school in San Diego and then when I graduated high school I moved to LA for a year to try the TV/FILM thing. That was hard because I was seventeen and was alone. I had one friend. I was in acting classes, and was learning a lot, but wasn’t meeting a lot of people. So then I went to college for a year and a half to study Human Biolgy and Psych.

AF: That’ll help ya as an actress!

AT: That was totally my thought process. I was like, “I don’t want to study acting! I need to study something different and new and something I don’t know anything about!” A year and a half in I told my mom I just needed to sing and that I just need to be in New York. My parents were so funny. I came home for summer after Freshman year and did Les Mis. at my “home theatre.” I played Eponine… dream role! It was such a low-key production but I was living my best life and my mom was like, “Why don’t you just move to New York now? You can go back to college later…”

AF: That’s amazing for your mom to say that!

AT: Yes. But I said, “No mom… I HAVE to finish.” So then I went back to school and a week into my second year of college I was like, “Mom, you’re right.” So I left.

AF: That’s so great that your parents are supportive.

AT: They believe in me.

AF: They’ve also seen that you’ve had success! I feel like sometimes parents are skeptical if they haven’t “proved” that they can do it.

AT: They believe in me more than I believe in myself half the time… sometimes to a fault. Sometimes I’m like… I remember this one time I went in for an audition. I was really nervous. I just kind of bombed it. And I called my mom and was like, “I don’t think it’s gonna happen, mom” and she goes, “Allie- do you know who you are? Just go back in there and say you want to sing it again!”

AF: Oh mom, if only it worked that way!

AT: It just goes to show… she believes!

AF: Getting back into that audition swing…

AT: It was HARD. It was so hard because I was comparing myself as an eighteen/nineteen year old to myself as a lead on Broadway. I didn’t expect it to be easy but I didn’t realize I would have to reintroduce myself entirely…starting from square one. Of course the friends that I have in the industry and credits help get doors open… but I wasn’t thirteen. I was a new person. I’ve been in New York three years now, and just this past year has it felt like I have a groove again.

AF: That’s very encouraging. It can just get so tiring!

AT: Last year I started doing coachings which has been so great… it’s in the world of what I’m doing, it’s something I enjoy, it’s giving back… and the girls I would coach are girls that LOVE Thirteen so NATURALLY it makes me want to lift them up. It was good to evaluate how I approach the Industry from a different perspective. It took a lot of the stress off… It gave me a purpose and schedule! It was a great turning point for me that doesn’t directly relate to “booking the job.”

AF: It’s difficult to separate your value and identity from booking something.

AT: I have been in Therapy for many a year… and something my therapist would always tell me when I would say, “Can I even call myself an Actress if I’m not acting?” and she’d say, “Are you kidding? You don’t have to be in a show to be an actor… you don’t need to be performing brain surgery to be a Surgeon. You have a skill set, a gift, a way of communicating, and that doesn’t go away when you’re not on stage.” A lot of people would tell me that. It’s hard to hear it though.

AF: Did you start seeing a therapist after Thirteen?

AT: It was some time after Birdie. It was when I was going from super high to mellow, low key life. I think I fell into an identity crisis… I didn’t know what I could control. So that was the time I started to try and figure out what I needed. I am a huge advocate for therapy. If you have the luxury of seeing someone and talking to someone I think it’s really helpful.

AF: Sometimes it feels like the things that get us excited are few and far between.

AT: Totally. My therapist is totally removed from the Industry so I’ll load everything on her and say, “I should be so happy I get to sing in this concert.” And she’ll be like, “Allie those are crumbs. Be grateful… that’s great but you can ask for the cake. You can get the cake.” That was huge. We’re so eager! It takes away from our power. Gratitude is obviously the only way you can approach your life but there’s something to be said for having high expectations and manifesting bigger things. If you’re begging from crumbs… you’re going to get crumbs… if you’re expecting crumbs… you’re going to get crumbs. And crumbs still taste good! But…

AF: That’s a really good way of putting it. It’s easy as actors sometimes to just settle… so that we don’t get our feelings hurt from caring too much.

AT: I’ll talk to people and sometimes you’ll be hit with the response “You should be grateful for that.” There’s a little animosity and I’ll pick up on that vibe… and I don’t want to sit in that energy. It’s about knowing what you want your life to look like and that it easily CAN.

AF: You are a walking testament! I want to ask you- what are you doing NEXT?

AT: So I just finished this lab of a musical called, Home Street Home. It was SO much fun! I did the lab at the O’Neil Theatre last summer. I just did another The music is written by Phat Mike who’s a punk rockstar from the band, No Effects. Jeff Marcs of Avenue Q is writing the book… it’s a really stellar team. They’re writing a story that is darker than anything I’ve ever done. It’s in the same world as Rent or Spring Awakening. It’s pushing boundaries of Musical Theatre… telling stories that are darker and harder to listen to but are important and real… super controversial. You get to love this family of street kids that she falls in to. It’s super edgy. They’re really pushing the boundaries! It’s been really satisfying form an actor perspective… here’s a blend of imagination plus pretend. So to go from that to Baz in Vegas… it is glitz and glamour! I’m playing Daisy Buchanan so it’s like… twenties! Total opposite of Home Street Home punk living!

AF: What kind of music is it?

AT: It’s all pop music: Lana Delray, Florence and the Machines… all these songs we know and love and used in the film adaptations of these stories directed by Baz Luhrmann. It’s going to be so hard. It’s going to be different than anything. I’m no really much of a dancer and this is a super heavy dance track! They had us end in a cartwheel into a split in heels… I did it and I surprised myself and it made me excited but…

AF: You have to be able to do it all these days… ugh! But you can do it!

AT: It’ll be the first time I’ll be stepping into a cast that’s already going. The show has been open for a year… I’ve got less than two weeks to learn the show, so it’s a very fast and furious process…

AF: Timing wise it worked out perfectly with Home Street Home!

AT: I’m excited! It’s a six-month contract… I have no choice but to improve!

AF: Now I always ask… what are your words of wisdom?

AT: The first one that comes to mind is be kind to everyone… you just have to be kind. That has to be the way you approach everything. The second one is, believe in the power of asking for what you want because you’ll probably get it. The worst that can happen is it’s not meant to be and it doesn’t happen. That’s been the biggest thing that I’ve learned in these past few months. Jokes aside about the crumbs… just expect more from yourself because you’ll rise to the occasion. It’s in your hands. It’s in my hands. When I saw the audition notice for Baz I was like, “I can’t do that…” and here I am, and I am going to do it.

AF: How empowering is that!?

AT: It’s in your own hands.

AF: Do you feel you started excelling when you had that mentality shift? When you decided to put out what you wanted to receive in return?

AT: I definitely think something shifted. When I first moved to New York my expectations were so imbalanced. I had this false idea that I would get here and it would be really easy… and then when it wasn’t I immediately felt hopeless. All my of my self-confidence went out the window. I wasn’t motivated. I wasn’t doing anything to excel my craft or give back to the community… I was MOPING! Getting to the point where I was getting pushed into a world where I was being valued for my creative input beyond just my fixed mindset. If you believe things will stay fixed… they will. But if you invest in the skill… then you will easily be able to do what you set your mind to. You’re opening yourself up to feeling failure. If you think to yourself, “you can’t do this…” you won’t. It’s easier said than done… it sounds really simple but I come across it a lot in my world of friends. If you shift the way you think about things and think, “I am overwhelmed with an abundance of friends, relationships, wealth, career…” it will just pour into you!

AF: You’re not going to an audition to be filled up… you need to already be there. The audition is just part of your day!

AT: I think that once you can get your head around how you think about it. Everything falls into place. It starts with gratitude. It starts with seeing the abundance that you have. And then it just will accumulate!